SUGG, ELA C.

Name: SUGG, ELA C. lease production and value, Jan 1993 onwards
Creator: Railroad Commission of Texas
License: https://www.rrc.texas.gov/site-policies/

Operated by LINDENMUTH & ASSOCIATES, INC. (P-5 501202) in the HOWDA (SAN ANDRES) field. Every figure below is a volume the Railroad Commission published, multiplied by a monthly price you can check.

Oil lease lease 5692District 7CField 42999666Hydrogen sulphide fieldOilCasinghead gasSave Export

Value, all time

$1.0 M

Jan 1993 – May 2023

Value, last 12 filed months

$6 k

at the published price for each month

Months reported

365

no gaps in the span

Streams

oil, casinghead gas

The HOWDA (SAN ANDRES) field

The Railroad Commission's own record for the field this lease produces from, including the spacing rule that governs how close together its wells may be drilled.

These are facts about the field, not about this lease. The field holds 8 leases and 11 wells, and the rule below applies to all of them.

Discovered

1968-06-19

as the register files it

Field class

Oil

the register's own label

Between wells

—

no field rule filed

From a lease line

—

no field rule filed

The register flags this field for hydrogen sulphide. That is a poisonous gas that occurs naturally in some formations. The flag is a property of the field as the Commission records it. It is not a measurement taken at this lease, and it is not a statement that gas is escaping anywhere.

What this lease produced, and what it was worth

Oil and condensate are valued on the volume the state records as disposed of; gas and casinghead gas on the volume produced. They are different columns of different files, and the difference is not cosmetic.

Stream	Basis	Volume	Value
Oil	Disposition	21,168 bbl	$1,024,443
Casinghead gas	Production	21 Mcf	$0
Total			$1,024,443

21 Mcf of this lease's gas, across 21 months, carries no value here. No free Texas wellhead gas price exists before 1997, so those months are left out of the total rather than valued at zero. The total above is therefore a floor, not an estimate.

Wells on this lease (3)

Every wellbore the Railroad Commission records against this lease key, with the depth, the last completion and the plug date exactly as filed. A well with no plug date is not stated to be producing — the state files no such flag.

These wells centre on 31.2768, -101.1207. A lease has no coordinate of its own — that point is the mean of its wells, and they span 0.2 miles.

31.27707, -101.12118 · centre of the wells drawn, derived⌘ or Ctrl + scroll to zoom

What these wells add up to

Every figure below is counted over all of this lease's wells, not over the rows listed above. The Railroad Commission files two facts about a well's state — a plug date and a proration-schedule flag — and a well can carry both, so they are published as separate counts and never merged into a status.

On the schedule

100.0%

3 of 3 wells

With a plug date

100.0%

3 of 3 wells

Median depth

4,936 ft

3 wells filed one

Completion to plug

49.1 years

median over 3 wells

What the state filed about each well

On the RRC proration schedule

3100.0%

A plug date is filed

3100.0%

BothOn the schedule and plugged. Neither fact cancels the other.

3100.0%

NeitherNo plug date, and not on the schedule.

00.0%

A plug date is the date the Commission recorded the wellbore as sealed with cement and abandoned. It is the only end-of-life fact Texas files. There is no "active" flag on a well, so this page does not print one — a well with no plug date is not stated to be producing.

How deep they were drilled

Between 4,900 and 4,941 ft, median 4,936 ft, over the 3 wells that filed a depth.

Completions filed

Jul 1969 – Oct 1986

3 of 3 wells

Plug dates filed

Jul 2001 – Apr 2020

3 of 3 wells

Last completion to plug: a median of 49.1 years across the 3 wells that filed both dates, with the middle half between 31.9 years and 49.8 years. The gap is the distance between two filed dates. It is not a statement of how long the well produced.

3 wells


42-23530032	3	4,936 ft	Oct 1986	Jul 2001	Yes
42-23530029	4	4,941 ft	Sep 1969	Apr 2020	Yes
42-23530023	2	4,900 ft	Jul 1969	Aug 2018	Yes

The API number is the state's, prefixed 42 for Texas. A well is matched to this lease by the lease key the Commission files on the wellbore record, so a well that has moved between leases appears under each one it was filed against.

Every month this lease reported (365)

Volume × price = value, one row per cycle. The price columns are the same series published on the prices page — nothing here is modelled.

365 months


May 2023	0	0	70.62	2.23	$0
Apr 2023	0	0	78.12	2.24	$0
Mar 2023	86	0	72.85	2.39	$6,265
Feb 2023	0	0	75.11	2.47	$0
Jan 2023	0	0	76.53	3.39	$0
Dec 2022	0	0	76.41	5.73	$0
Nov 2022	0	0	85.00	5.65	$0
Oct 2022	0	0	87.18	5.86	$0
Sep 2022	0	0	84.88	8.16	$0
Aug 2022	0	0	94.52	9.13	$0
Jul 2022	0	0	101.58	7.54	$0
Jun 2022	0	0	115.09	7.98	$0
May 2022	0	0	109.37	8.43	$0
Apr 2022	0	0	104.22	6.84	$0
Mar 2022	0	0	108.88	5.08	$0
Feb 2022	0	0	91.05	4.86	$0
Jan 2022	0	0	81.84	4.54	$0
Dec 2021	0	0	71.32	3.90	$0
Nov 2021	0	0	77.43	5.24	$0
Oct 2021	0	0	79.79	5.71	$0
Sep 2021	0	0	69.86	5.35	$0
Aug 2021	0	0	66.02	4.22	$0
Jul 2021	0	0	70.78	3.98	$0
Jun 2021	0	0	69.49	3.38	$0
May 2021	0	0	63.48	3.02	$0
Apr 2021	0	0	60.36	2.76	$0
Mar 2021	0	0	61.30	2.72	$0
Feb 2021	0	0	57.80	5.55	$0
Jan 2021	0	0	50.41	2.81	$0
Dec 2020	0	0	44.64	2.68	$0
Nov 2020	0	0	38.77	2.71	$0
Oct 2020	0	0	36.97	2.48	$0
Sep 2020	0	0	37.09	1.99	$0
Aug 2020	0	0	39.98	2.39	$0
Jul 2020	0	0	38.37	1.83	$0
Jun 2020	0	0	34.90	1.69	$0
May 2020	0	0	16.92	1.81	$0
Apr 2020	0	0	14.75	1.80	$0
Mar 2020	0	0	30.34	1.86	$0
Feb 2020	0	0	49.88	1.98	$0
Jan 2020	0	0	57.25	2.09	$0
Dec 2019	0	0	59.01	2.30	$0
Nov 2019	0	0	55.30	2.75	$0
Oct 2019	0	0	53.47	2.42	$0
Sep 2019	0	0	55.05	2.66	$0
Aug 2019	0	0	53.11	2.30	$0
Jul 2019	0	0	56.27	2.46	$0
Jun 2019	0	0	52.78	2.49	$0
May 2019	0	0	58.48	2.74	$0
Apr 2019	0	0	62.63	2.75	$0
Mar 2019	0	0	56.80	3.06	$0
Feb 2019	0	0	50.85	2.79	$0
Jan 2019	1	0	46.03	3.23	$46
Dec 2018	0	0	46.59	4.19	$0
Nov 2018	0	0	52.93	4.24	$0
Oct 2018	0	0	61.44	3.40	$0
Sep 2018	0	0	59.54	3.11	$0
Aug 2018	0	0	59.40	3.07	$0
Jul 2018	0	0	65.14	2.93	$0
Jun 2018	0	0	60.18	3.08	$0
May 2018	0	0	65.38	2.90	$0
Apr 2018	0	0	63.84	2.90	$0
Mar 2018	0	0	61.22	2.79	$0
Feb 2018	0	0	61.78	2.77	$0
Jan 2018	0	0	62.87	4.01	$0
Dec 2017	0	0	57.27	2.92	$0
Nov 2017	0	0	55.42	3.12	$0
Oct 2017	0	0	49.29	2.98	$0
Sep 2017	0	0	47.52	3.09	$0
Aug 2017	0	0	45.37	3.00	$0
Jul 2017	0	0	43.87	3.09	$0
Jun 2017	4	0	42.49	3.09	$170
May 2017	0	0	45.37	3.26	$0
Apr 2017	0	0	47.93	3.21	$0
Mar 2017	2	0	46.77	2.98	$94
Feb 2017	0	0	50.45	2.95	$0
Jan 2017	0	0	49.41	3.42	$0
Dec 2016	0	0	48.76	3.72	$0
Nov 2016	0	0	42.49	2.64	$0
Oct 2016	1	0	46.19	3.09	$46
Sep 2016	1	0	41.55	3.10	$42
Aug 2016	0	0	41.44	2.92	$0
Jul 2016	0	0	41.62	2.92	$0
Jun 2016	1	0	45.35	2.69	$45
May 2016	2	0	42.52	1.99	$85
Apr 2016	0	0	36.56	1.99	$0
Mar 2016	0	0	33.01	1.79	$0
Feb 2016	0	0	26.47	2.06	$0
Jan 2016	0	0	27.35	2.36	$0
Dec 2015	0	0	32.36	2.00	$0
Nov 2015	2	0	38.79	2.17	$78
Oct 2015	0	0	43.55	2.43	$0
Sep 2015	0	0	42.99	2.76	$0
Aug 2015	0	0	40.16	2.87	$0
Jul 2015	0	0	48.15	2.95	$0
Jun 2015	0	0	56.15	2.88	$0
May 2015	0	0	55.21	2.96	$0
Apr 2015	0	0	49.82	2.71	$0
Mar 2015	0	0	42.89	2.93	$0
Feb 2015	0	0	44.66	2.98	$0
Jan 2015	1	0	43.43	3.10	$43
Dec 2014	0	0	54.69	3.59	$0
Nov 2014	1	0	70.46	4.25	$70
Oct 2014	0	0	78.30	3.90	$0
Sep 2014	0	0	86.16	4.05	$0
Aug 2014	1	0	89.39	4.04	$89
Jul 2014	0	0	96.56	4.18	$0
Jun 2014	127	0	98.16	4.74	$12,466
May 2014	0	0	94.73	4.73	$0
Apr 2014	4	0	95.94	4.81	$384
Mar 2014	22	0	95.89	5.06	$2,110
Feb 2014	4	0	97.40	6.19	$390
Jan 2014	24	0	90.40	4.86	$2,170
Dec 2013	180	0	91.82	4.35	$16,528
Nov 2013	7	0	88.85	3.74	$622
Oct 2013	18	0	97.42	3.78	$1,754
Sep 2013	7	0	104.11	3.72	$729
Aug 2013	189	0	104.25	3.52	$19,703
Jul 2013	7	0	102.52	3.72	$718
Jun 2013	168	0	94.40	3.93	$15,859
May 2013	18	0	94.83	4.15	$1,707
Apr 2013	12	0	93.96	4.28	$1,128
Mar 2013	178	0	93.62	3.91	$16,664
Feb 2013	6	0	91.23	3.42	$547
Jan 2013	6	0	91.60	3.42	$550
Dec 2012	179	0	86.77	3.42	$15,532
Nov 2012	20	0	86.95	3.62	$1,739
Oct 2012	12	0	89.38	3.40	$1,073
Sep 2012	176	0	94.67	2.92	$16,662
Aug 2012	2	0	92.66	2.91	$185
Jul 2012	176	0	85.13	3.02	$14,983
Jun 2012	6	0	79.82	2.52	$479
May 2012	184	0	91.61	2.49	$16,856
Apr 2012	10	0	101.65	2.00	$1,017
Mar 2012	177	0	105.05	2.22	$18,594
Feb 2012	0	0	101.10	2.57	$0
Jan 2012	179	0	98.09	2.73	$17,558
Dec 2011	9	0	96.87	3.24	$872
Nov 2011	0	0	95.72	3.31	$0
Oct 2011	183	0	84.98	3.65	$15,551
Sep 2011	174	0	83.62	3.99	$14,550
Aug 2011	0	0	83.40	4.15	$0
Jul 2011	0	0	94.14	4.52	$0
Jun 2011	3	0	92.90	4.64	$279
May 2011	2	0	98.13	4.40	$196
Apr 2011	173	0	105.96	4.33	$18,331
Mar 2011	3	0	96.36	4.06	$289
Feb 2011	180	0	85.64	4.18	$15,415
Jan 2011	0	0	86.50	4.59	$0
Dec 2010	0	0	85.73	4.35	$0
Nov 2010	175	0	80.84	3.80	$14,147
Oct 2010	3	0	78.10	3.51	$234
Sep 2010	172	0	72.63	3.98	$12,492
Aug 2010	1	0	73.68	4.42	$74
Jul 2010	176	0	72.55	4.74	$12,769
Jun 2010	180	0	70.36	4.91	$12,665
May 2010	4	0	71.12	4.24	$284
Apr 2010	179	0	81.69	4.12	$14,623
Mar 2010	0	0	78.39	4.39	$0
Feb 2010	179	0	73.58	5.44	$13,171
Jan 2010	12	0	74.36	5.96	$892
Dec 2009	10	0	71.44	5.48	$714
Nov 2009	179	0	74.59	3.75	$13,352
Oct 2009	171	0	72.54	4.11	$12,404
Sep 2009	0	0	65.54	3.06	$0
Aug 2009	178	0	67.42	3.22	$12,001
Jul 2009	3	0	61.13	3.46	$183
Jun 2009	181	0	66.16	3.90	$11,975
May 2009	1	0	54.74	3.93	$55
Apr 2009	177	0	46.77	3.59	$8,278
Mar 2009	172	0	42.14	4.06	$7,248
Feb 2009	2	0	32.81	4.63	$66
Jan 2009	0	0	35.86	5.37	$0
Dec 2008	172	0	37.10	5.98	$6,381
Nov 2008	181	0	55.49	6.86	$10,044
Oct 2008	175	0	75.24	6.92	$13,167
Sep 2008	0	0	101.76	7.88	$0
Aug 2008	0	0	114.22	8.48	$0
Jul 2008	174	0	131.08	11.39	$22,808
Jun 2008	0	0	131.33	13.03	$0
May 2008	0	0	123.17	11.57	$0
Apr 2008	170	0	110.31	10.45	$18,753
Mar 2008	0	0	101.90	9.66	$0
Feb 2008	174	0	92.53	8.77	$16,100
Jan 2008	178	0	90.38	8.21	$16,088
Dec 2007	0	0	88.33	7.30	$0
Nov 2007	170	0	91.67	7.29	$15,584
Oct 2007	1	0	82.85	6.92	$83
Sep 2007	156	0	75.84	6.24	$11,831
Aug 2007	180	0	69.06	6.39	$12,431
Jul 2007	4	0	70.90	6.39	$284
Jun 2007	180	0	62.00	7.55	$11,160
May 2007	4	0	58.74	7.85	$235
Apr 2007	185	0	59.61	7.81	$11,028
Mar 2007	182	0	56.92	7.30	$10,359
Feb 2007	4	0	55.10	8.22	$220
Jan 2007	167	0	50.30	6.73	$8,400
Dec 2006	2	0	56.65	6.92	$113
Nov 2006	174	0	54.20	7.62	$9,431
Oct 2006	175	0	54.90	6.01	$9,608
Sep 2006	172	0	60.08	5.04	$10,334
Aug 2006	176	0	68.71	7.34	$12,093
Jul 2006	5	0	69.37	6.34	$347
Jun 2006	174	0	66.28	6.38	$11,533
May 2006	356	0	66.01	6.42	$23,500
Apr 2006	9	0	64.39	7.36	$580
Mar 2006	167	0	56.70	7.08	$9,469
Feb 2006	176	0	57.59	7.75	$10,136
Jan 2006	2	0	60.59	8.93	$121
Dec 2005	183	0	54.94	13.42	$10,054
Nov 2005	176	0	54.69	10.59	$9,625
Oct 2005	0	0	58.34	13.80	$0
Sep 2005	172	0	61.45	12.08	$10,569
Aug 2005	183	0	61.51	9.80	$11,256
Jul 2005	173	0	55.69	7.84	$9,634
Jun 2005	164	0	52.33	7.38	$8,582
May 2005	174	0	45.22	6.65	$7,868
Apr 2005	4	0	49.20	7.36	$197
Mar 2005	178	0	50.37	7.15	$8,966
Feb 2005	177	0	45.22	6.31	$8,004
Jan 2005	182	0	43.16	6.32	$7,855
Dec 2004	184	0	39.86	6.75	$7,334
Nov 2004	194	0	45.28	6.33	$8,784
Oct 2004	193	0	49.70	6.52	$9,592
Sep 2004	193	0	43.24	5.28	$8,345
Aug 2004	359	0	42.37	5.55	$15,211
Jul 2004	355	0	38.28	6.08	$13,589
Jun 2004	179	0	36.10	6.43	$6,462
May 2004	659	0	37.48	6.49	$24,699
Apr 2004	188	0	34.47	5.86	$6,480
Mar 2004	0	0	34.36	5.53	$0
Feb 2004	0	0	32.45	5.51	$0
Jan 2004	0	0	32.03	6.30	$0
Dec 2003	0	0	30.26	6.30	$0
Nov 2003	0	0	28.80	4.60	$0
Oct 2003	0	0	28.17	4.76	$0
Sep 2003	0	0	26.31	4.75	$0
Aug 2003	0	0	29.76	5.13	$0
Jul 2003	0	0	29.41	5.17	$0
Jun 2003	0	0	28.56	5.98	$0
May 2003	1	0	26.59	5.97	$27
Apr 2003	0	0	26.67	5.41	$0
Mar 2003	0	0	31.14	6.10	$0
Feb 2003	0	0	33.48	7.93	$0
Jan 2003	0	0	30.31	5.58	$0
Dec 2002	0	0	26.91	4.85	$0
Nov 2002	0	0	24.66	4.14	$0
Oct 2002	1	0	26.46	4.23	$26
Sep 2002	1	0	27.44	3.64	$27
Aug 2002	2	0	25.96	3.16	$52
Jul 2002	1	0	24.58	3.06	$25
Jun 2002	2	0	23.73	3.34	$47
May 2002	0	0	24.66	3.58	$0
Apr 2002	1	0	23.65	3.51	$24
Mar 2002	0	0	22.00	3.10	$0
Feb 2002	0	0	18.22	2.38	$0
Jan 2002	2	0	17.17	2.38	$34
Dec 2001	4	0	16.93	2.36	$68
Nov 2001	4	0	18.07	2.41	$72
Oct 2001	168	0	19.78	2.53	$3,323
Sep 2001	1	0	24.26	2.25	$24
Aug 2001	1	0	24.87	3.05	$25
Jul 2001	3	0	23.93	3.20	$72
Jun 2001	2	0	24.56	3.82	$49
May 2001	1	0	25.52	4.31	$26
Apr 2001	2	0	24.68	5.34	$49
Mar 2001	0	0	24.54	5.38	$0
Feb 2001	0	0	27.75	5.77	$0
Jan 2001	0	0	27.47	8.40	$0
Dec 2000	0	0	26.88	9.12	$0
Nov 2000	0	0	32.21	5.66	$0
Oct 2000	0	0	31.23	5.15	$0
Sep 2000	0	0	31.87	5.19	$0
Aug 2000	0	0	29.64	4.54	$0
Jul 2000	0	0	28.53	4.09	$0
Jun 2000	2	0	29.30	4.40	$59
May 2000	1	0	27.26	3.68	$27
Apr 2000	0	0	24.51	3.12	$0
Mar 2000	3	0	28.42	2.86	$85
Feb 2000	0	0	27.62	2.73	$0
Jan 2000	0	0	25.27	2.48	$0
Dec 1999	1	0	24.28	2.42	$24
Nov 1999	0	0	23.19	2.43	$0
Oct 1999	0	0	20.98	2.80	$0
Sep 1999	0	0	21.75	2.62	$0
Aug 1999	0	0	19.26	2.88	$0
Jul 1999	2	0	17.89	2.37	$36
Jun 1999	5	0	15.94	2.36	$80
May 1999	0	0	15.79	2.32	$0
Apr 1999	0	0	15.10	2.21	$0
Mar 1999	0	0	12.47	1.84	$0
Feb 1999	0	0	9.98	1.82	$0
Jan 1999	0	0	10.38	1.90	$0
Dec 1998	0	0	9.20	1.77	$0
Nov 1998	0	0	10.89	2.19	$0
Oct 1998	0	0	12.42	1.97	$0
Sep 1998	0	0	12.59	2.08	$0
Aug 1998	0	0	11.30	1.91	$0
Jul 1998	176	0	11.74	2.24	$2,066
Jun 1998	0	0	11.24	2.24	$0
May 1998	170	0	12.62	2.21	$2,145
Apr 1998	0	0	13.04	2.51	$0
Mar 1998	174	0	12.80	2.31	$2,227
Feb 1998	0	0	13.95	2.30	$0
Jan 1998	0	0	14.70	2.15	$0
Dec 1997	172	0	16.32	2.41	$2,807
Nov 1997	0	0	18.19	3.09	$0
Oct 1997	179	0	19.25	3.15	$3,446
Sep 1997	0	0	17.74	2.95	$0
Aug 1997	167	0	17.86	2.55	$2,983
Jul 1997	0	0	17.58	2.25	$0
Jun 1997	178	0	17.24	2.26	$3,069
May 1997	0	0	18.97	2.31	$0
Apr 1997	184	0	17.88	2.08	$3,290
Mar 1997	0	0	18.95	1.94	$0
Feb 1997	185	0	20.49	2.21	$3,791
Jan 1997	0	0	23.48	3.54	$0
Dec 1996	183	0	23.32	—	$4,268
Nov 1996	0	0	21.97	—	$0
Oct 1996	180	0	23.31	—	$4,196
Sep 1996	0	0	22.22	—	$0
Aug 1996	178	0	20.26	—	$3,606
Jul 1996	175	0	19.55	—	$3,421
Jun 1996	0	0	18.73	—	$0
May 1996	0	0	19.43	—	$0
Apr 1996	196	0	21.51	—	$4,216
Mar 1996	177	0	19.38	—	$3,430
Feb 1996	0	0	16.98	—	$0
Jan 1996	0	0	17.07	—	$0
Dec 1995	358	0	17.19	—	$6,154
Nov 1995	0	0	16.00	—	$0
Oct 1995	0	0	15.43	—	$0
Sep 1995	179	0	16.18	—	$2,896
Aug 1995	0	0	15.92	—	$0
Jul 1995	170	0	15.24	—	$2,591
Jun 1995	176	0	16.41	—	$2,888
May 1995	179	0	17.56	—	$3,143
Apr 1995	0	0	17.73	—	$0
Mar 1995	183	0	16.44	—	$3,009
Feb 1995	0	0	16.58	—	$0
Jan 1995	176	0	15.92	—	$2,802
Dec 1994	186	0	15.03	—	$2,796
Nov 1994	0	0	15.90	—	$0
Oct 1994	0	0	15.58	—	$0
Sep 1994	350	1	15.29	—	$5,352
Aug 1994	0	1	16.13	—	$0
Jul 1994	170	1	17.56	—	$2,985
Jun 1994	0	1	17.09	—	$0
May 1994	344	1	15.88	—	$5,463
Apr 1994	169	1	14.14	—	$2,390
Mar 1994	0	1	12.46	—	$0
Feb 1994	165	1	12.50	—	$2,063
Jan 1994	172	1	12.66	—	$2,178
Dec 1993	337	1	12.33	—	$4,155
Nov 1993	0	1	14.49	—	$0
Oct 1993	163	1	15.85	—	$2,584
Sep 1993	165	1	15.03	—	$2,480
Aug 1993	152	1	15.66	—	$2,380
Jul 1993	169	1	15.46	—	$2,613
Jun 1993	300	1	16.79	—	$5,037
May 1993	159	1	17.68	—	$2,811
Apr 1993	339	1	18.05	—	$6,119
Mar 1993	0	1	18.14	—	$0
Feb 1993	0	1	17.90	—	$0
Jan 1993	124	1	16.93	—	$2,099

How to read this page

The arithmetic is one multiplication per stream per month. Here it is, worked, on a real row from the table above.

Mar 2023 — as filed, then multipliedworked

Oil                   86 bbl  × $ 72.85 =     $6,265
Casinghead gas         0 Mcf  × $  2.39 =         $0

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Month total                                   $6,265

The volumes are the state's, unchanged

Every barrel and every Mcf on this page is a number the Railroad Commission of Texas published in its monthly production query. Nothing is modelled, estimated or filled in.

The dollars are a multiplication, not a valuation

Volume × a published monthly price. It is not what the operator was paid: it takes no account of a contract, a differential, a transportation deduction, or the share any one owner holds.

Oil and gas are priced differently

Oil is a Texas realisation — the crude oil first purchase price. Gas is a benchmark, because no free Texas wellhead gas series exists at any date. The prices page publishes the difference rather than correcting it away.

A lease is not a well

The state reports oil on lease and gas on well, and this page is the lease grain. 7C/O/5692 is the state's own key, not one this site invented.